ALERT! We have a Ken Ham warning! We are at DEFCON HAM!
Those of you prone to hypertension may not want to know this, but none other than KEN HAM is going to be with a local call’s range. If we still had a concept of local calls, anyway. These days you can call from Atlanta to Seattle for the same price you can call next door. No wonder our kids are so terrible with geogra–…. sorry.
My point is that he is coming to Lawrenceville!
He’s like Lincoln in that he wears that beard unironically. He is unlike Lincoln in every other way.
But don’t take my word for it. Just this one time, you can trust what it says on answersingenesis.org:
Sept. 30, 2012 to Oct. 1, 2012 in Lawrenceville, GA
with Ken Ham, Dr. Tommy Mitchell
North Metro First Baptist Church
1026 Old Peachtree Road NE
Lawrenceville, GA 30043
You can find more details on their schedule.
Okay, please stop trusting what it says on answersingenesis.org now.
They don’t appear to be charging for these appearances, but I imagine they’ll be passing the plate. The plate will hold your roll of twenties, but likely is not big enough to hold a copy of River Out of Eden.
I’m considering checking this out. I’ve never heard the guy speak. I’m curious about what the creationists are saying these days.
July 14th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
Try not to giggle.
July 15th, 2012 at 8:05 am
Unlike Lincoln in every other way? They both believe in God as described in the Bible.
July 15th, 2012 at 8:16 am
Creationists are saying the same things these days as they have been saying for hundreds of years. It will never change as God is the same yesterday, today & forever.
Unlike evolutionist who change their theories more often then their underpants.
July 15th, 2012 at 8:37 am
I am so burned out on these rhythmic gasbags who argue about the validity of Biblical passages with other Biblical passages, and pretend to be fascinated with their “design” of their watch. They’re ignorant, neglectful, or perhaps in denial of the history of the Bible, the earlier myths and philosophies, and all that has been lost in translation. But he does seem to be more aware than others.
July 15th, 2012 at 8:37 am
Praying 4 u. Dont know u, but believe in you Ken. God is greater than all these non believers! He is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
July 15th, 2012 at 8:39 am
Very few people are like Lincoln. And who would want to be, I mean, after all, he was the only President who declaired war on his own people, and killed hundreds of thousands of people. Not to mention other things like shutting down newspapers that didn’t agree with him, and excommunicating govenors. Lying about his religion, and not caring a wit about slavery, only in that he used it politically because it was popular. Yeah, great man, that Lincoln. What a tyrant.
July 15th, 2012 at 8:48 am
Naturalism is a faith-based religion. Evolution is its central dogma. If you objectively review the facts and foregoing you will see it is true.
July 15th, 2012 at 9:14 am
For the record: my comment about Lincoln was a tongue-in-cheek throwaway line. All I know about the man is collected here: http://www.facetheperil.com/blog/2012/06/30/scenes-movie-pitch-meeting/
That said — I am confident that Ken Ham is not the type of man who would fight to save an oppressed group of people from vampires. But I’m not 100% sure. Maybe he’ll discuss that when he comes to town.
July 15th, 2012 at 9:42 am
I don’t know Mr. Ham, but what I do know is people that approach things HONESTLY with an open mind learn things. People that don’t have an open mind are opinionated fools. When I use the term “open mind” I mean that their only agenda is to learn truth about something they may agree, or disagree with.
If you approach anything with an opinion that is unchangeable it usually becomes an unprofitable argument rather than a learning discussion.
Only fools think they don’t need to learn more. Honest people realize they are lacking in many areas and are willing to hear about more pieces to the puzzle of life.
Let’s be honest, it seems there’s more fools than wise men in America at this time.
Hersh
July 15th, 2012 at 9:52 am
You really should check this one out, Christian. *no irony. I attended a Ken Ham conference in Bermuda earlier this year, did not have to leave my brain at the door, and discovered a whole lot of indisputable truth in what the man had to say. Make no mistake, atheism is a belief system, evolution is a belief system, and naturalism humanism etc ditto. Belief systems. I learned not to be fooled by those who claim, in the name of “science” that their view is scientific and hence not based on their belief system. Science means “knowledge”, nothing more and nothing less, and more and more “scientists” are acknowledging the impossibility of accounting for how nothing caused everything, let alone anything. Not even in a million, trillion, bajillion years. *irony.
July 15th, 2012 at 9:55 am
I’ll probably stop by to see what’s up, but I dispute much of the rest of your comment. Atheism is a belief system in the same way not collecting stamps is a hobby. There is a difference between accepting a premise based on evidence and believing a statement based on faith.
July 15th, 2012 at 10:16 am
If atheism is not a belief system then why get so worked up over everyone elses belief systems that involve Jesus? Why get so worked up over Ken Ham and the Creation Museum? It makes no sense to me. Atheists are afraid of something.
July 15th, 2012 at 10:40 am
“Defcon Ham”? Wow, you people really are afraid. Be very careful not to read AIG’s stuff. You might become critical thinkers! But of course you won’t let this comment slip through.
July 15th, 2012 at 11:30 am
Skeptics are lying to themselves. They are not skeptical but they just want to be.
July 15th, 2012 at 11:53 am
Nothing like unbiased commentary
July 15th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Is this ment to be funny, Ken Ham is a Great Teacher of God’s Word!
July 15th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Where to even begin.
First up, what is the exact argument here. I’m seeing comments like:
“Creationists are saying the same things these days as they have been saying for hundreds of years. It will never change as God is the same yesterday, today & forever.”
“He is the same yesterday, today, and forever.”
Followed by accusations that skeptics are not open to changing their minds…
Stating that being closed minded and never accepting any possible change is the ideal, isn’t exactly a good way to encourage other people to change their mind!
In fact one comment even accuses evolution of being false simply BECAUSE it updates itself with new evidence.
So, are skeptics and scientists too open to changing their mind, or too closed to new ideas?
Could it be perhaps that skeptics and scientists are perfectly open to new ideas, when those new ideas are supported by logic, reason or evidence?
That is why science updates itself over time as new evidence comes to like. That is the big strength of science and why it enables you to enjoy the life you do today. If you don’t appreciate that, please stop using the ‘science based’ computers that you are happily commenting on!
After all if we followed the creationist ideal mentioned earlier, we should still be using 2000 year old technology, because making new discoveries and changing ideas is apparently bad…
July 15th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
“Is this ment to be funny, Ken Ham is a Great Teacher of God’s Word!”
He’s certainly not a great teacher of spelling.
I wonder who linked to this article to bring them crawling out of the woodwork.
July 15th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Creationist are saying the same as always; we just have more details today. Thank you Ken Ham for being so diligent about finding these facts and proofs, and for sharing with the rest of us. Praying for you and AIG. May God richly bless all of you and your families.
July 15th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
“Creationist are saying the same as always.”
Exactly. You don’t change your ideas when new information comes along. When contradictory information is presented, you either ignore it, declare it to be an “evolutionist lie,” or completely make stuff up to accommodate the discrepancy.
July 15th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Shaune could use a lesson in the difference between forensic, historic and applied science. We have heard this kind of blather for years. His was exactly the remark I would expect from someone who borrows from a Biblical worldview to explain his own distortion of facts. There is no truth apart from the God of the Bible. There is simply no basis for the concept of truth without an absolute standard.
July 15th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
I have heard Ken speak several times, and have spoken with him. His position is that the bible is a true accounting of actual events, and from there he looks at scientific and historical facts and records to back his beliefs. If the facts worked against him, he would not be able to make his case so well. Many non-believers are turned off by the fact that he starts with the bible, but I have heard from evolutionist scientists who started with the facts and their conclusions pointed them to the same believes as Ken Ham.
July 15th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
It is terribly easy to say that scientists have disproven evolution or have accepted the truth of creationism.
It is terribly difficult to name those scientists or to point to their evidence. If someone found evidence to disprove evolution, that person would need a wheelbarrow for all the Nobel prizes. Since there is zero actual scientific evidence refuting the theory of evolution, these claims ring hollow and the theory remains the only valid theory to explain the diversity of life on this planet.
What Ken Ham and his ilk do is start with the Bible, assume it’s true, and work backwards. They discard all evidence that refutes their claims and trumpet any evidence which does not refute it. Ham is free to do that, but he’s wrong when he calls it science or when he claims the people who do that are scientists. It already has a name: apologetics.
No one is afraid of Ken Ham. What we stress about is the very real threat that non-scientific dogma will get dumped into our legal system instead of legitimate findings of scientific disciplines. I’d bet Ken would be worried if there was a chance Islamic beliefs were going to get taught in public schools or written into the U.S. Constitution — I am worried about exactly the same thing happening with Christian beliefs.
Atheism is not a religion or a belief system. Creationism is not a science. Skepticism is not a dogma. Ken Ham is not an objective observer of the natural world.
July 15th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
Ken Ham is actually brilliant in the area of science, not just theology. He knows what he is talking about and ties in current scientific discoveries to his talks. Look up Sylvia Baker’s Bone of Contention if you want to learn more about Creation science, it’s about 10 years old but great nonetheless.
July 15th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Sorry. “Creation science” is internally contradictory. If you look at the different species of animals and conclude “God did it,” you are not being a scientist by definition.
Ham has a bachelor’s degree in applied science, but is a very poor scientist. Beginning with the conclusion is the antithesis of science. Ignoring data that disagrees with what you want to conclude is an insult to every legitimate investigator of the universe all the way back to Euclid.
Everything in his Creation Museum is based on a falsehood or a misrepresentation of the findings of generations of scientists. It’s unclear to me which are the ones Ham genuinely believes are true and which he has deliberately misrepresented. Legions of real scientists have tried to correct the massive amount of disinformation in his museum, but he has ignored them.
This is not the approach of a scientist. Hell, it’s not the approach of an adult. But it seems to be enough for the people who desperately want to believe there is some evidence that the stories given in Genesis represent some useful truth about the world.
July 15th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
“If the facts worked against him, he would not be able to make his case so well.”
I’ve been following Ken Ham for 20 years, and I can’t think of a “fact” he uses that hasn’t easily been demonstrated false for decades. What Ken ham does is ignore reality, and his fans enable him by knowing very little about reality.
If any of you Ham supporters can suggest any facts that show Ham to be right about anything, especially where real science disagrees with him, I would really like to see some.
Anybody? Preferably with some sort of citation so I can verify he really said it. I know enough reality about biology and geology to be able to show he’s wrong (and point you to evidence).
July 16th, 2012 at 8:54 am
As long as man is involved in science, there will always be a bias. That bias will be determined by one’s worldview. What seems more troublesome to me than the banter over individual facts of science and which side of the debate they support, is how everyone borrows from the same worldview (while claiming allegiance to their own) to try to debate the validity of their position. Namely, all sides freely use immaterial, abstract, unchanging, entities such as the laws of logic to debate their position. I would argue that the necessity to use such laws by a worldview that cannot justify their existence invalidates their worldview from the outset. And please do not simplify the discussion with a mere claim that they are “conventions of men.” If that were so, then they would be free to be changed as man sees fit. Well, enough written for now. peace.
July 16th, 2012 at 9:24 am
Daniel, you couldn’t be more wrong about how science works.
An individual can’t just get out of bed and decide to go “do science.” It is an unending iterative process that involves every future scientist who works in the relevant fields. The person who comes up with an initial hypothesis is as subject to bias and pre-conceived ideas as anyone else, but since it’s the job of all other scientists to find errors in thinking or testing, bias is identified and boiled away.
Over time.
That’s what separates science from dogma or apologetics. Ken Ham can wake up and spit out some untestable notion and claim its the truth and who are those scientists to say he’s wrong? That’s not interesting, not persuasive, and not science.
December 10th, 2012 at 2:19 am
The creationist sign a statement of faith before submiting their so called science in answers in genesis they sign a statement that they will put god and their organisation before science. So all so called scientist who work for young earth creationist have been bias. True Science is supposed to be 1.Hypothesis 2.test and 3.conclude YEC is conclude before testing. I have nothing against people opinions but what i am stating here is fact.