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		<title>Tim Minchin Coming to Atlanta!</title>
		<link>http://www.atlantaskeptics.com/2011/06/23/tim-minchin-coming-to-atlanta/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Scott Little</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some of you may know who Tim Minchin is, some of you may not.  He is a musical, comic, performance artist with a skeptical bent and is very entertaining.  He will be performing in Atlanta at Center Stage on Thursday, July 14. A little about the man: Tim Minchin is an Australian, musician, actor, comedian and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of you may know who Tim Minchin is, some of you may not.  He is a musical, comic, performance artist with a skeptical bent and is very entertaining.  He will be performing in Atlanta at <a href="http://www.centerstage-atlanta.com/show?id=303&amp;artist=Tim+Minchin">Center Stage</a> on Thursday, July 14.</p>
<p>A little about the man:</p>
<blockquote><p>Tim Minchin is an Australian, musician, actor, comedian and writer. He has been performing his unique brand of musical comedy in front of appropriately excitable and ever growing audiences since starting out in South Melbourne’s Butterfly Club in 2005. He won the Director’s Award at the Melbourne International Comedy Festival for his break-out show Darkside, and followed this later the same year with one of the most successful debut acts ever at the Edinburgh Fringe – winning the Perrier Award for Best Newcomer. Without wanting to go on and on about it, he’s done some pretty successful live shows since then, often in Australia or the UK, but also on the North American continent (yes that includes you too Canada). But not you Guatemala. Maybe one day.</p>
<p>His current songs span topics such as environmentalism, rationalism, prejudice(ism) and his amour de boobs(ism). In fact it would hardly be over the top to say that his love of boobs would be up there in the back of Plato’s cave in the bit that’s carved out for the most perfect and complete example of the love of boobs. But not in a weird way. During his shows he plays the piano, always nicely and oftentimes wildly and excitingly, whilst looking wonderfully athletic, in a pair of delightfully uncomfortable skinny jeans.</p></blockquote>
<p>You can get an idea of his act here:</p>
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		<title>Politics v. Religion in Atlanta: From India?</title>
		<link>http://www.atlantaskeptics.com/2011/03/27/politics-v-religion-in-atlanta-from-india/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>BubbaRich</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hate to quote the Moonie Times as much as anybody does, but this article attracted my attention on a Google Alert. Please read the article, and I&#8217;d appreciate any input from our Atlantans Vindaloo, and from any other Indians or people familiar with Indian politics. I also have to admit that I am relying [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to quote the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Washington_Times#Funding">Moonie Times</a> as much as anybody does, but <a href="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/mar/27/embassy-row-293323445/">this article</a> attracted my attention on a Google Alert.  Please read the article, and I&#8217;d appreciate any input from our Atlantans Vindaloo, and from any other Indians or people familiar with Indian politics.  I also have to admit that I am relying entirely on the account of this speech and its aftermath from the Washington Times, which is probably foolhardy of me.</p>
<p>In February (in typical wingnut fashion, the article is very light on facts/dates and verifiable sources, a hard habit to break) Indian Ambassador Meera Shankar spoke at <a href="http://international.emory.edu/eis/">Emory University&#8217;s Emerging India Summit</a> in Atlanta.  Her speech was about the political, ethnic, and religious diversity of India.  As part of this speech, she mentioned that Sonia Gandhi, leader of the Congress Party (the largest party in India), is Christian.</p>
<p>In trying to avoid the toxic effects of religion in southwest Asia, India tends to entirely eliminate any comment or attention on political leaders&#8217; religious beliefs and practices. In keeping with that, when the Indian Embassy published Mrs. Shankar&#8217;s speech, it censored any mention of Gandhi&#8217;s religion from the speech.</p>
<p>This offended certain forces in the Indian Press, since her speech was about religious diversity.  I only know about one or two sources in India from the Washington Times article.  I don&#8217;t know anything about their political/religious leanings, if they&#8217;re as crazy as the Times, nor do I know this about any of the two or three other sources that turn up on a <a href="http://news.google.com/news/more?pz=1&amp;cf=all&amp;cf=all&amp;ncl=dWY0JO0lEPignWMUFptbEhext6zNM">GoogleNews search</a>.</p>
<p>What do you think?  Is it healthier in India to avoid mention of religion about politicians?  Would that be healthier in the Middle East?  Would that be healthier <a href="http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/31/gingrich-gets-a-new-religion/">in Georgia</a>?  It should go without saying that part of this avoidance of discussing religion of politicians in India includes the politicians themselves avoiding the subject.  I don&#8217;t think we have a hope of that in US politics, especially not in Georgia.  I do fully support the idea of censoring any public mention of a politician&#8217;s religion, though most of those would be censoring the politician him/herself.</p>
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		<title>They Didn&#8217;t Invent Intolerance, Just the Intolerance Sandwich</title>
		<link>http://www.atlantaskeptics.com/2011/02/14/they-didnt-invent-the-intolerance-just-the-intolerance-sandwich/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2011 22:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Stephen K</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Once upon a time there was a young blond-headed boy who would sometimes ride with his parents out to his grandparents&#8217; house. Often during these trips, his grandparents and parents, when discussing options for dinner, would decide to go out. The whole clan would then hop into the boy’s grandmother’s Lincoln Continental and they would [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once upon a time there was a young blond-headed boy who would sometimes ride with his parents out to his grandparents&#8217; house. Often during these trips, his grandparents and parents, when discussing options for dinner, would decide to go out. The whole clan would then hop into the boy’s grandmother’s Lincoln Continental and they would drive about five or ten minutes to a restaurant he’d been to many times. It was a restaurant he always enjoyed visiting.</p>
<p>To be continued after the break . . .</p>
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<p>The car would pull into a parking space facing the wall of windows on the south side of a brick building. The adults would walk up to the normal-sized glass door, but the boy would run around the corner from that door to use the rounded wooden red door that was only as tall as he was. It was hard to open, but he always managed. He would then rejoin his family as they waited to be seated.</p>
<p>Eventually, someone in a booth would get up, which was the family’s cue to pounce on the open table. The restaurant was really more like a diner. As the family approached their destination, they would pass people sitting on stools at the counter. The boy hoped, as always, that his family would be able to claim the corner booth, the one under the painting of the Seven Dwarfs. This was no ordinary painting. It was three dimensional with a track running through the middle. The Dwarfs were attached to this track and when turned on they would journey from their cottage in the woods to the mine and back.</p>
<p>At the end of the meal, the boy’s grandfather would walk to the counter and pay for the meal and they would all load back into the car and head back to the boy’s grandparent’s house to visit before finally returning home.</p>
<p>The story above is not a work of fiction. It was, in fact, a typical occurrence for me. As you may have guessed, I was the boy. What you may not have guessed is that the restaurant in question was the original Dwarf House, home of the Chick-fil-a sandwich and the foundation of a fast food empire.</p>
<p>I grew up surrounded by all things Chick-fil-a. I heard stories about the founder, Truett Cathy, and how my grandparents were in the Sunday School class he taught. My parents would tell me stories from their childhood when they would go to that very same Dwarf House and how Truett Cathy himself came to their table one day to offer a new menu item: a chicken sandwich. Apparently, my father had scoffed at the idea of a chicken sandwich. In fact, my parents usually got burgers when we went to the Dwarf House. You read that correctly: there are Chick-fil-a restaurants out there that serve more than just chicken, despite what those cows want you to believe.</p>
<p>I’ve always loved eating at Chick-fil-a. I even looked up the closest one to Chicago when I lived there. It was fifty miles north of the city in a mall in a small town in Wisconsin. When my brother moved to Wisconsin, I would visit him and we would always go by that mall to get our fix. I would even buy some extra sandwiches to take back to the city with me, put in the fridge and eat as lunch later.</p>
<p>I’ve written a lot here about Chick-fil-a, my relationship to the company, and how my childhood somewhat revolved around the famous chicken sandwich. I’ve written all this to help give you context to understand how difficult it was for me to finally decide this year that I have a moral obligation to stop eating at Chiick-fil-a.</p>
<p>I always knew that Truett Cathy founded the Chick-fil-a company as a Christian company. They are closed on Sunday. They promote Christian movies, music, and the like. Of course, when I was younger, I was also devout Christian, so it didn’t matter. These days, I’m no longer Christian or religious, for that matter,  but my love of the food overrode my slight annoyance at the Christian message and values that Chick-fil-a espouses as a company.</p>
<p><a href="http://news.change.org/stories/chick-fil-a-partners-with-rabid-anti-gay-group">Recently</a>, though, <a href="http://news.change.org/stories/chick-fil-a-responds-but-connections-to-anti-gay-groups-deepen">it has</a> come <a href="http://news.change.org/stories/yes-chick-fil-a-says-we-explicitly-do-not-like-same-sex-couples">to light</a> that the Chick-fil-a corporation supports groups that discriminate against homosexuals by seeking to pass laws that define marriage as being solely between a man and woman. By supporting these organizations, Chick-fil-A tacitly approves of discrimination and I can no longer in good conscience support a company that supports the denial of civil rights to a group of people.</p>
<p>So, I have stopped. It will be hard when I’m with family as there’s always a chance that they’ll want to go to Chick-fil-a when I visit. My family is still very conservative and Christian and I don’t think they’d understand or agree with me, but I’ll cross that bridge when I come to it.</p>
<p>I would also like to emphasize that this is not an issue to me because I happen to no longer be religious. No, I don’t give a flying flip what the owners of any company believe as long as they don’t attempt to push those beliefs on others. This is not a religious issue. It is a civil rights issue.</p>
<p>The decision to boycott Chick-fil-a was not an easy one. For me, it&#8217;s about far more than a fried chicken sandwich. A part of my childhood and memories of my family are tied to every bite. But, it&#8217;s more important to me to stand up for what I believe in and the organizations that Chick-fil-A support want to redefine what family is. Chick-fil-a was (is) a tradition in my family, and now, it&#8217;s time to tell Chick-fil-A that families define themselves and make their own memories. It&#8217;s not for anyone else to dictate.</p>
<p><em>Edited to add: Check out the <a href="http://www.treelobsters.com/2011/02/235-food-intolerance.html">Treelobsters cartoon</a> that this post inspired!</em></p>
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		<title>Church Activities Central in Deal&#8217;s Inauguration</title>
		<link>http://www.atlantaskeptics.com/2010/12/11/church-activities-central-in-deals-inauguration/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Dec 2010 23:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>BubbaRich</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Governor-elect Nathan Deal of Gainesville, Georgia, has incorporated several religious activities into his inauguration festivities, according to his hometown paper, the Gainesville Times. It all starts with a prayer service at 9:00 AM on January 10th at &#8220;the&#8221; Mount Paran Church of God, which will include a choir from his home church, First Baptist Church [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Governor-elect Nathan Deal of Gainesville, Georgia, has incorporated several religious activities into his inauguration festivities, <a href="http://www.gainesvilletimes.com/section/203/article/42633/">according to his hometown paper, the Gainesville Times</a>.</p>
<p>It all starts with a prayer service at 9:00 AM on January 10th at &#8220;the&#8221; Mount Paran Church of God, which will include a choir from his home church, First Baptist Church of Gainesville.</p>
<p>&#8220;There has been a long-standing tradition that governors and constitutional officers on the morning of the inaugural have begun their day with a time of prayer. We are going to continue that tradition,&#8221; [Deal spokesman Harris] Blackwood said. &#8220;This will be a very ecumenical event that will be inclusive of various religions and beliefs.&#8221;</p>
<p>One would like to perform a constitutional test of the limits of his inclusion&#8230;</p>
<p>The prayer service will be open to the public, as will the 2pm inaugural at the state capitol.  It is all funded by private contributions.</p>
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		<title>TAM8 &#8211; First Thoughts</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 18:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Doctor Atlantis</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I’m at the James Randi Educational Foundation’s “The Amazing Meeting 8” - more commonly known as TAM.  This is the eighth year that the venerable Randi’s foundation has pulled together some of the leading figures in the world of fact-based thinking and put them in a venue where they can mingle and communicate with the everyday people who are trying to make the world a more reasonable place.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Downstairs the clink and bings of a thousand slot machines remind you that you’re in Las Vegas, but upstairs in the conference center there is a feel of enthusiasm at a day filled with science, reason, rationalism and yes, skepticism.  I’m at the James Randi Educational Foundation’s “The Amazing Meeting 8” &#8211; more commonly known as TAM.  This is the eighth year that the venerable Randi’s foundation has pulled together some of the leading figures in the world of fact-based thinking and put them in a venue where they can mingle and communicate with the everyday people who are trying to make the world a more reasonable place.</p>
<div class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 472px"><img class=" " src="http://www.randi.org/site/images/stories/tamlogos/tam%208%20basic%20banner-01.jpg" alt="" width="462" height="91" /><p class="wp-caption-text">The official TAM8 Banner</p></div>
<p>This year the keynote speaker is Richard Dawkins, author of <em>The Greatest Show on Earth</em>, <em>The Blind Watchmaker</em>, <em>The Ancestor’s Tale</em>, as well as the book that branded him as one of the four-horsemen of “<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Atheism">The New Atheists</a>” movement, <em>The God Delusion</em>.  Dawkins did a Q&amp;A sessions last night moderated by magician Jamie Ian Swiss.  I expect he’ll have much more to say, but he has a kind of nerd Rock Star reception around here. It’s impressive to see.<br />
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Even more of a Rock Star, and ushered about by security everywhere he goes, is Mythbusters host Adam Savage.  I’m very much looking forward to hearing what Mr. Savage has to say while he’s here.  Just before I left to fly out here I was watching a “best-of” episode of Mythbusters with my son.  And I told him, “I’m going to see that red-haired man when I go to Las Vegas.”  My son laughed because he thought I was joking.</p>
<p>“Is that why you’re going?” he asked.</p>
<div class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 510px"><img src="http://www.randi.org/site/images/stories/tam8/TAM_6_-_Adam_Savage_by_Scott_Hurst.jpeg" alt="" width="500" height="333" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Adam Savage channels Jamie Hyneman</p></div>
<p>It’s not the only reason, but it’s a good one.  Savage is an engaging speaker and has many entertaining things to say about making television that promotes science.  His <a href="http://gizmodo.com/5152842/adam-savage-from-mythbusters-makes-maltese-falcon-replicas-in-his-spare-time">quixotic quests</a> to reproduce certain Hollywood film artifacts are legendary.</p>
<p>The schedule is pretty full during the day and there are lots of opportunities to mingle and network.  You can check out the <a href="http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/tam-8-registration.html">full guest list here</a> but even that doesn’t cover the many notable attendees such as life-extension specialist <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aubrey_de_Grey">Aubrey de Grey</a> and of course, <a href="http://monstertalk.org">myself</a>! (I jest&#8230;  <em>A bit</em>.)</p>
<p>It is no small thing for me to be out here.  I&#8217;m not alone of course, many of the Atlanta Skeptics are out here with me &#8211; which is a comfort.  My co-hosts to <em>MonsterTalk</em> Ben Radford and Dr. Karen Stollznow are here too, the first time we&#8217;ve all been together since starting our podcast. <em> I really appreciate the opportunity to take part in this and want to say a special thanks to JREF president, D.J. Grothe and my wife Kathleen for helping this to become a reality.</em></p>
<div class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 260px"><img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/Asteroceras_BW.jpg/250px-Asteroceras_BW.jpg" alt="Ammonite - artist's rendition" width="250" height="188" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Ammonite - artist&#39;s rendition</p></div>
<p>I think there are probably a lot of educators here.  Definitely a lot of clever, clever folks.  I got to talk paleontology with some scientists last night.  We talked fossils and discussed <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trilobite">trilobites</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonite">ammonites</a>.  Did you know that much is known about how these extinct animals moved through the waters of the ancient earth because of hydrology experiments done in water-tanks?  Did you know that before they went extinct they were dying out and there is a controversy about whether they died out before &#8211; or during &#8211; the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cretaceous-Tertiary_extinction_event">Cretacious-Tertiary Extinction Event</a>?  I didn’t.  There’s a lot to learn out here in the desert.</p>
<p>Wish you were here.</p>
<p>I’ll post updates as time allows.</p>
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		<title>A sign of the times (Extended Edition)</title>
		<link>http://www.atlantaskeptics.com/2010/05/16/a-sign-of-the-times-extended-edition/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 03:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Doctor Atlantis</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A chain e-mail is currently circulating which allegedly shows an inflammatory message being held by a Hispanic man at a rally.  Atlanta Skeptic Blake Smith investigates. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>This is a longer version of my </em><a href="http://tinyurl.com/2up86r6" target="_blank"><em>research posted at The Examiner</em></a><em>.  You can comment there without having to sign-in.</em></p>
<p>As a vocal skeptic, I&#8217;ve become known among my friends and family as the go-to person to determine whether or not news stories or photos on the Internet are true.  Sometimes this just means going to Snopes.com to check and see and see what the folklore researchers have come up with.  Other times I have to dig in and do the research myself.  The latest piece of dubious dumbness to come across my desk is a photo purported to be of Arizona Hispanic protesters out complaining about the new state law the state just passed.</p>
<div id="attachment_562" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 310px"><img class="size-medium wp-image-562" src="http://www.atlantaskeptics.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/immigration_rally_hoax-300x224.jpg" alt="This photo is currently circulating in e-mails.  It appears to be a fake." width="300" height="224" /><p class="wp-caption-text">This photo is currently circulating in e-mails. It appears to be a fake.</p></div>
<p>It is an e-mail with the subject line of &#8220;VERY SCARY: Give us free&#8221; and contains this image, along with the following text:  </p>
<div>&#8220;Can you believe this sign? </div>
<div>This picture shows what the problem in Arizona and our country is all about. Now if only California and Texas passed the same law as Arizona &#8230;&#8230;.&#8221;</div>
<div>It comes with a photo of a group of Hispanic/Latino protesters, one carrying a notably incendiary sign which says:</div>
<div>&#8220;GIVE US FREE</div>
<div>HEALTH CARE</div>
<div>JOBS &#8211; NO TAXES</div>
<div>HOUSE</div>
<div>FOOD</div>
<div>YOU OWE US AMERICA!</div>
<div>WE WILL SHOOT MORE POLICE IN ARIZONA UNTIL WE GET FREE!&#8221;</div>
<div>The sign is clearly meant to incite trouble, but the man in the photo doesn&#8217;t look particularly violent.  Essentially the sign appears to advocate cop-killing, which is not the kind of thing people typically bring to a protest.  I was suspicious, to say the least.</div>
<p>I started by checking the Snopes site, but so far they don&#8217;t have an analysis up.   Message boards battered back and forth on whether or not the sign could be real.  Some people feel that even if the photo is fake, that this is a real sentiment in the Arizona Latino community.</p>
<div>Some careful Google searches revealed that this photo is <em>not even from Arizona.</em>   The photo is actually taken in front of the Los Angeles Times building and took place on the May 1, 2010 protests there against Arizona&#8217;s new anti-illegal immigrant law, <a id="ctn5" title="SB1070" href="http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/summary/s.1070pshs.doc.htm">SB1070</a>.</div>
<p style="text-align: center"><img class=" aligncenter" src="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/22/25039563_cc99f9314d.jpg" alt="The LA Times Complex where the photo was actually taken." width="300" height="200" /></p>
<div style="text-align: center"><a id="l:t5" title="The Los Angeles Times Complex" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/omaromar/25039563/">The Los Angeles Times Complex</a> by <a id="mlxw" title="Omar Bárcena" href="http://www.flickr.com/people/51186333@N00">Omar Bárcena</a>.</div>
<div style="text-align: center"><a rel="cc:attributionURL" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/omaromar/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/omaromar/</a> / <a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/">CC BY 2.0</a></div>
<p>But does it show a real sign?  Many investigators are looking to find a copy of the original photo, or supplemental photos of the setting to see if any other evidence supports the idea that the sign is real, or evidence that will falsify it.  I suspect the latter is more likely.</p>
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<div>A little manipulation of contrast and brightness settings on the photo reveal that it shows obvious signs of tampering.  There is a lot of digital smearing between the two signs the protester caries (if there ever were two signs) and the tampering corresponds strongly with someone erasing the original text and writing over it to form the offensive message.  In other words, this appears to be a fake.  I&#8217;d like to see the &#8220;real&#8221; photos.  But even if they don&#8217;t turn up, this one&#8217;s busted.  Whatever the sign once said, it was altered to say the inflammatory things it says now.</div>
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<div>There are some additional tools available for this kind of evaluation.  A clever little web program called <a href="http://errorlevelanalysis.com" target="_blank">Error Level Analysis (ELA)</a>  is quite the helpful tool for analyzing digitally altered photographs.  Briefly, compression-based image file formats such as .jpg lose a little information each time they are saved at a smaller bit-rate.  The ELA program saves the file over and over again, each time reducing the file size by a bit &#8211; and thereby creating a much less clear picture.  But an interesting side effect of this reduction is that areas of the photo which were touched up or altered end up showing a difference in the final version &#8211; presumably because their pixel depth at the end of the routine is inconsistent with that in the rest of the image.</div>
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<div>Running this photo through ELA shows the kind of inconsistency around the sign one would expect in a digitally altered photo.  Here is a photo of me (on the left) at a recent protest against Westboro Baptist Church.</div>
<div id="attachment_563" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 370px"><img class="size-full wp-image-563 " src="http://www.atlantaskeptics.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Doctor_Atlantis_and_SkepticRN_original.jpg" alt="Original photo of protest of WBC.  Courtesy Chris Nicoll" width="360" height="241" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Original photo of protest of WBC. Courtesy SkepticRN</p></div>
<p>Here is a crude fake of that photo wherein I replaced the perfectly sensible original message with something silly.</p>
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<div class="mceTemp mceIEcenter"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-569" src="http://www.atlantaskeptics.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Doctor_Atlantis_and_SkepticRN_fake.jpg" alt="Doctor_Atlantis_and_SkepticRN_fake" width="360" height="241" /></div>
<div>And here is how the ELA software compared the two images.</div>
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<div id="attachment_571" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 371px"><img class="size-full wp-image-571 " src="http://www.atlantaskeptics.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/ELA_DrA_fake.jpg" alt="Areas around the lettering show thick black and the letters stark white." width="361" height="242" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Areas around the lettering show thick black and the letters stark white.</p></div>
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<div> Now, let&#8217;s compare those known fakes to the the &#8220;Arizona&#8221; protest photo.  First, again, here is the protest photo that has been doing the rounds on the chain e-mail circuit, and directly below it is the ELA analysis:</div>
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<div id="attachment_572" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 444px"><img class="size-full wp-image-572 " src="http://www.atlantaskeptics.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/ela_analysis_of_Arizona_Photo.jpg" alt="ELA of the &quot;Arizona&quot; photo also shows distinct areas of alteration." width="434" height="648" /><p class="wp-caption-text">ELA of the &quot;Arizona&quot; photo also shows distinct areas of alteration.</p></div>
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<p> The similarities between my admitted fake and this photo are quite obvious.  They are especially apparent in the lower sign, the one threatening future cop killings. This suggests that the <em>top </em>part of the sign may not have been as heavily altered.</p>
<p>Just to be clear, this image shows very, very strong evidence of being altered.</p>
<div>History is full of people faking evidence to fulfill their bigoted fantasies or support their ideologies.  From the <em><a id="ttjh" title="protocols of the elders of zion" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion">Protocols of the elders of zion</a></em> to <a id="izgl" title="Obama's birth-certificate conspiracy theory" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories">Obama&#8217;s birth-certificate conspiracy theory</a>, people have used their creative powers to make the world the way <em>they </em>think it ought to be.   Still, with the Internet it is now possible for serious researchers to join together and collaborate to get to the truth.  </div>
<div>A skeptic investigator wants to be as definitive as the evidence will allow.  In this case the evidence strongly supports this being a faked photograph altered to create the incendiary message it currently carries.  It is extremely likely that other photos from the May 1st protest at the LA Times will come out and show what this man&#8217;s sign <em>actually</em> said.  But we don&#8217;t need that to know this photo is faked.</div>
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		<dc:creator>Doctor Atlantis</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is no single proof of membership for people who self-describe as skeptics.  Anybody can say they're a skeptic - and many do.  The sailor who listens to SGU, the policeman who subscribes to Skeptical Inquirer, the construction worker who argues that a metal detector is better than a dowsing rod for finding buried cable, the cowboy who tells his friends that predators are responsible for cattle-mutilations, the biker who researches crash data to determine the efficacy of helmet laws, the native American who embraces science based medicine while still finding ways to preserve traditional culture - these people are all part of our skeptical village.  These are our skeptical village people.]]></description>
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<p style="margin: 0px"><span style="font-size: small">Just before Easter <a id="gf:k" title="I wrote on the state of the Catholic church" href="http://www.examiner.com/x-22131-Atlanta-Skepticism-Examiner~y2010m4d3-Pope-culture-references">I wrote on the state of the Catholic church</a> and proposed that if change were to come to the church it would not be from outside forces railing against the institution for its policies, but from internal forces of reform inside the church.  Then on April 11, 2009 The Sunday Times (A British newspaper) <a id="h1a3" title="published an article" href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article7094310.ece">published an article</a> about uber-atheist Richard Dawkins&#8217; plan to use legal means to arrest the pope if he sets foot in Britain, with an absurd headline claiming that Dawkins himself planned to make the arrest.  The headline was attention-grabbing, but made the whole thing look like a crazy publicity stunt, when in fact it could be a very serious legal challenge to the church if properly executed.</span></p>
<div style="margin-top: 0px;margin-bottom: 0px"><span style="font-size: small">While the stunt itself, if stunt it be, got some attention on the news, two big rationalist movements (the skeptics and the atheists) went at it again.  Getting these groups to fight is like getting a puppy to chew a shoe.  Back during the <a id="qw_0" title="Bill Maher Dawkins Award kerfuffle" href="http://www.examiner.com/x-22131-Atlanta-Skepticism-Examiner~y2009m10d16-Politically-incorrect--Just-plain-wrong">Bill Maher Dawkins-Award kerfuffle</a> I considered the Venn diagram of the overlap between Skeptics and Atheists.</span></div>
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<div style="margin-top: 0px;margin-bottom: 0px"><span style="font-size: small">A Venn diagram uses overlapping circles to graphically demonstrate sets.  In the case of skeptics and atheists, there we might have a large population of people who belong to both groups.  But there are many theist skeptics.  And there are many atheists who derive their non-belief through reactionary rejection of religion, rather than by the route of philosophical or rational inquiry.To be fair, there are also many people who use skepticism as a tool box for evaluating the world, but who do not identify as &#8220;skeptics.&#8221;</span></div>
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<div id="attachment_494" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 204px"><img class="size-full wp-image-494" src="http://www.atlantaskeptics.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Venn-D-Cell.png" alt="A Venn D-Cell Diagram" width="194" height="186" /><p class="wp-caption-text">A Venn D-Cell Diagram</p></div>
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<p style="margin: 0px"><span style="font-size: small">Empowered by the unhindered freedom to say anything, impassioned Internet activists from both communities frequently opine on the best way to move their agendas forward.  Sadly this usually doesn&#8217;t end up with thoughtful, rational, coffee-shop style philosophy discussions.  Instead it seems to be a jarring mix of rational discourse and irrational admonishments to self-intercourse.</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px"><span style="font-size: small">Take the case of the Dawkins &#8220;arrest the pope&#8221; movement which I described above.  Rebecca Watson, notable skeptic of the <a id="ripw" title="Skepchick blog" href="http://skepchick.org/">Skepchick blog</a> and <a id="ouwl" title="Skeptics Guide to the Universe podcast" href="http://www.theskepticsguide.org/">Skeptics Guide to the Universe podcast</a>, came out strongly in favor of arresting the Pope.  It is perfectly acceptable to opine on social issues &#8211; and is what many might say a blog is for.  However she also had harsh criticism for those who argued that it is not the place of &#8220;the skeptic movement&#8221; to take sides on such matters.  Keep in mind they weren&#8217;t arguing that <em><em>she</em></em> shouldn&#8217;t opine on such matters, but that the skeptics movement <em><em>as a whole</em></em> should not get embroiled in politics and religion.  Other notable skeptics and atheists (PZ Myers, Daniel Loxton, Jim Lippard, et al) commented on the matter with similar results outcome from the feedback.  I mention Ms. Watson&#8217;s comments in particular because they affected my personal net chatter the most &#8211; but no matter which way skeptical bloggers chose to speak out on the issues &#8211; the comments kicked off by such discussion seemed to turn raw and bloody as though the only way to reach consensus is to crawl bare-kneed across glass.</span></p>
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<div style="margin-top: 0px;margin-bottom: 0px"><span style="font-size: small">And the F-bombs did rain down upon the Internet, and many feelings were hurt, and the twitter did fail-whale and the Facebook comments did require much scrolling.</span></div>
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<div style="margin-top: 0px;margin-bottom: 0px"><span style="font-size: small">And I wondered if that Venn diagram might be better illustrated with two angry cats with tails tied together, the tails representing the overlap between the two modalities.</span></div>
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<div id="attachment_492" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 310px"><img class="size-medium wp-image-492" src="http://www.atlantaskeptics.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/2-cats-300x213.jpg" alt="Can you spot the accommodationist?" width="300" height="213" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Can you spot the accommodationist?</p></div>
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<p style="margin: 0px"><span style="font-size: small">Should <em><em>the skeptics movement</em></em> be involved in questions like the &#8220;Put the Pope in the Pokey&#8221; controversy?</span></p>
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<div style="margin-top: 0px;margin-bottom: 0px"><span style="font-size: small">It&#8217;s a trick question.  We&#8217;ve wasted time arguing over a ridiculous false dichotomy; the equivalent of the classic &#8220;<em><em>Do you still beat your wife?</em></em>&#8220;</span></div>
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<div style="margin-top: 0px;margin-bottom: 0px"><span style="font-size: small">There is no single proof of membership for people who self-describe as <em><em>skeptics</em></em>.  Anybody can say they&#8217;re a skeptic &#8211; and many do.  The sailor who listens to<a href="http://theskepticsguide.org/" target="_blank"> SGU</a>, the policeman who subscribes to <a href="http://www.csicop.org/si/" target="_blank">Skeptical Inquirer</a>, the construction worker who argues that a metal detector is better than a <a href="http://www.skepdic.com/dowsing.html" target="_blank">dowsing rod</a> for finding buried cable, the cowboy who tells his friends that predators are responsible for <a href="http://www.skepdic.com/cattle.html" target="_blank">cattle-mutilations</a>, the biker who researches crash data to determine the efficacy of helmet laws, the native American who embraces science based medicine while still finding ways to preserve traditional culture &#8211; these people<em><em> are all</em></em> part of our skeptical village.  These are our skeptical village people.</span></div>
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<p style="margin: 0px"><span style="font-size: small">It is foolish to think that all of our village people will jump up and take the &#8220;right side&#8221; in questions involving politics and religion.  And it is foolish to think that <em><em>skepticism</em></em> or <em><em>atheism</em></em> should have single views on such questions.</span></p>
<div style="margin-top: 0px;margin-bottom: 0px"><span style="font-size: small">Simultaneously, it is foolish to think we could possibly <em><em>not</em></em> have opinions on such questions.  We&#8217;re humans.  We may try to play dispassionate Vulcan, but we aren&#8217;t.  The <a id="i:-5" title="pon farr" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pon_farr">pon farr</a> always lies just under our skin, ready to make us fight our friend.</span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0px;margin-bottom: 0px"><span style="font-size: small">But what about the hard-liner new atheists?  The ones who have no place for religion?  Who call skeptics who want to co-exist with believers <em><em>accommodationists</em></em>?</span></div>
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<p style="margin: 0px"><span style="font-size: small">What if we try to be dispassionate and look at the science and math of the question?  What percentage of people have faith and religion as part of their lives?  One can only guess, but the answer is more than 50%.  That&#8217;s a lot of people with many different beliefs.</span></p>
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<div style="margin-top: 0px;margin-bottom: 0px"><span style="font-size: small">And what does science tell us about beliefs, confirmation bias, people&#8217;s inability to process disconfirming evidence, etc?  It tells us many things, but one is that attacks against beliefs don&#8217;t usually change the believers position.  In fact, they tend to make the believer more recalcitrant.  If the goal of the atheists is to change people&#8217;s belief system, direct attacks on the beliefs and the group&#8217;s leadership are unlikely to succeed.</span></div>
<p><span style="font-size: small">That&#8217;s why my personal position is to fight for a strong secular government that gives equal protection to those who want to worship god(s) and those who want to worship nothing.  But no matter how rational I think that position is, I wouldn&#8217;t ask <em><em>the skeptic&#8217;s movement</em></em> to rise up and back it, nor would I suggest they self-fornicate if they disagree.  It is for each person to decide how they want to handle religion and politics.</span></p>
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<div style="margin-top: 0px;margin-bottom: 0px"><span style="font-size: small">We need to foster civility in our intergroup discourse because that <em><em>passion</em></em> so many of us have for these topics is wasted when we burn it up fighting with people who are often our best allies.  And we need to find ways to be constructive when dealing with ideological enemies because if we just try to shout down their walls and blow our trumpets &#8211; well, it&#8217;d take a miracle for that to work.</span></div>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>James Severin</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was taking advantage of some downtime from playing Army today, and checked out the AJC site to see what was happening back home. I came across a blog post from Jim Galloway highlighting the state of the current debate over the military’s ban on openly gay soldiers, or the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was taking advantage of some downtime from playing Army today, and checked out the AJC site to see what was happening back home. I came across a <a href="http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insider-jim-galloway/2010/01/19/democratic-chairman-of-house-military-affairs-opposes-any-change-to-dont-ask-dont-tell/">blog post from Jim Galloway</a> highlighting the state of the current debate over the military’s ban on openly gay soldiers, or the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy.</p>
<p>For those who don’t know I’ve served in the Infantry for twelve years with three combat tours and I’ve seen it all. I’ve jumped out of airplanes, blew stuff up, shot big guns, and generally put foot to ass for the country that I love, warts and all.  And, to be honest, I didn’t think that having openly gay soldiers serving alongside heterosexual soldiers was a good idea, not even a little bit. My own personal belief was that it would hurt unit cohesion, and when kicking down doors you MUST be able to trust the people around you. If you have family you wouldn’t trust with a potato gun&#8230; you know what I’m talking about.<span id="more-336"></span></p>
<p>Here is where my own skeptical beliefs cut in. Close friends know that I’m a skeptic and I’m always fond of saying, “I’m totally evidence-based” so I decided to do the research around this belief.  And I can honestly say that my own personally-held beliefs were wrong. There is no evidence to support the premise that homosexuals in a unit would hurt unit cohesion or impact mission performance.  Examining some of the claims, I found that many studies have been done that support lifting of the ban; police and fire departments have lifted their bans and have found no impact on mission performance. In addition, a review of NATO countries found that countries that lifted their ban on openly gay soldiers hasn’t impacted performance at all.</p>
<p>I cannot lie; my initial reaction was one of shock and surprise. I felt sure that there would have been some evidence supporting the premise that openly gay men and women serving in the military would lead to disaster. It is, after all, a premise that I’ve been operating on for the twelve years I’ve been associated with the military. Would I have a problem serving with an openly gay man/woman? I don’t think so; my objections for homosexuals serving was based purely on faulty reason, and once I discovered this I changed my world view.</p>
<p>Now it’s time to put your money where your mouth is because it’s easy to be skeptical when talking about Bigfoot, UFOs, or homeopathy it’s much more difficult when it comes to our own personally held beliefs. Skepticism to me is more than just debunking psychic’s claims and trashing Jenny McCarthy, it’s a way of life. If we as skeptics do not hold ourselves to our own evidence based standards, what have we become?</p>
<p>The word hypocrite comes to mind.</p>
<p>Recently I was pleased to discover that Washington is taking this issue seriously and is working to repeal the &#8220;Don&#8217;t Ask, Don&#8217;t Tell&#8221; policy, to this I can only say what I&#8217;ve always said, &#8220;I&#8217;m totally evidence-based&#8221; if this is where the evidence leads than that is the only thing that  is important.</p>
<p>Some background info:<br />
<a href="http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/pwh/gao_report.html">GAO Study on gays serving</a></p>
<p><a href="http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/HTML/miltest2.html">Oral Statement of Gregory M. Herek, Ph.D to the House Armed Services Committee:</a></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[As I drove into work this morning in the rain, again, my thoughts went back to a dry day in November 2007. That day the governor of the state of Georgia, Sonny Perdue, joined lawmakers and ministers at the Capitol Building to pray for rain. Naturally, this brought the question of church vs. state and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I drove into work this morning in the rain, again, my thoughts went back to a dry day in November 2007. That day the governor of the state of Georgia, Sonny Perdue, joined lawmakers and ministers at the Capitol Building to pray for rain. Naturally, this brought the question of church vs. state and made headlines worldwide. I think more than the religious connotations, it also brought up the idea of looking to mystical ideas to change natural events outside of our direct control. Why not do a rain dance or start some human sacrifices while we&#8217;re at it?</p>
<p>God was apparently slow in answering that prayer as the rains didn&#8217;t return in force until fall of 2009. And, boy howdy, did the rains return! Much of North Georgia had what was categorized as 500-year flooding in October. Rehearsals for a show I was in at the time were canceled due to rain, something I&#8217;ve never experienced before. Since October, we&#8217;ve had regular rain, and will probably continue to have rain through the spring. This is all thanks to El Niño, which means &#8220;the boy&#8221; in Spanish. I&#8217;m thinking of petitioning for a name change to El Bastardo.</p>
<p>Anyway, I was thinking of all of this on my morning commute. Apparently, I&#8217;m the only one as that prayer meeting in 2007 seems to be old news. No one is blaming the governor for the flooding and non-stop rain. I wonder if we had only received moderate rainfall, bringing Lake Lanier up to full pool over time instead of overnight, would people have praised Perdue for &#8220;taking action&#8221; in 2007? Is the only reason no one is linking the increase in rain to that prayer because of how destructive the rain has been, because that couldn&#8217;t possibly be what God would do, could it? I&#8217;m not sure what logical fallacy that might fall into, maybe a form of confirmation bias, it&#8217;s just something I find interesting.</p>
<p>As for me, I do blame the governor for all this rain, not because I think the prayer did anything at all, but just because I can. Well, that and he threatens to veto any law allowing Sunday alcohol sales, but that&#8217;s a whole different story.</p>
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		<title>Georgia Christians support sending little girls to jail?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Despite Republicans running all Georgia government, the Christian right in Georgia has lobbied heavily in opposition to a couple of Republican-sponsored bills in the legislature.  They held a press conference together today.  The groups who made it to the press conference were the Georgia Christian Alliance, the Georgia Christian Coalition, Georgian Ralph Reed&#8217;s Faith and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite Republicans running all Georgia government, the Christian right in Georgia has lobbied heavily in opposition to a couple of Republican-sponsored bills in the legislature.  They held a press conference together today.  The groups who made it to the press conference were the Georgia Christian Alliance, the Georgia Christian Coalition, Georgian Ralph Reed&#8217;s Faith and Freedom Coalition, and the Georgia Baptist Convention.  Georgia Eagle Forum president and former state senator Nancy Schaefer is leading efforts against these bills.  Republican gubernatorial candidate John Oxendine was at the press conference, but did not speak there.  Most of this information comes from <a title="AJC on Xtian Lunacy" href="http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insider-jim-galloway/2010/02/01/georgias-christian-right-comes-out-against-bills-aimed-at-child-prostitution/" target="_blank">this AJC article/blog entry</a>.</p>
<p>The weighty issue they are screaming about, against the Republicans who presented these bills?  The bills would allow young girls (under 16) to be placed into diversionary programs instead of arresting them and putting them into the criminal system with prostitution charges.  The argument in favor of these laws is that legally, children cannot consent to sexual intercourse, and so, legally, cannot be considered guilty of prostitution.  The argument against these bills, best as I can determine, is that the pseudoChristian protestors are just implementing the words of Jesus Christ, when He was asked about the 12-year-old prostitute: &#8220;<em><span style="color: #ff0000">Let that ho fry</span></em><span style="color: #ff0000">!</span>&#8221;</p>
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<p>I&#8217;m glad to see that the generally reliably wingnut <a title="Peach Pundit on Xtian Insanity" href="http://www.peachpundit.com/2010/02/01/a-bill-to-help-child-prostitutes-incorrectly-called-legalization-by-christian-opponents/" target="_blank">bloggers and commentators at Peach Pundit</a> (founded by wingnut extraordinaire Erick Erickson, who also leads wingnuttery at <a href="http://www.redstate.com/" target="_blank">RedState</a>) quickly decided that this was insanity.</p>
<p>The first wave of responders at the AJC blog above pushed a general line of sanity against this, but if you read down the responses you&#8217;ll find a huge batch of True Christian Victims.  There are one or two at Peach Pundit, too, who try to justify the True Christian opponents of this bill.  Their arguments remind me of the anti-Equal Rights Amendment arguments I heard as a child in Mississippi, such as &#8220;Rape will no longer be a crime if ERA is passed!&#8221;  Yes, I seriously heard that argument, enough to remember it 35 years later.</p>
<p>This story was just reported in the 10pm local news on the local Fox affiliate, and the segment was extremely sympathetic to the laws.  It did not mention the right-wing Christian opposition.  If you get a chance, get your voice out there in favor of these bills.  We may actually get to help some of these girls, like some of the 12-year-olds kidnapped abroad and brought here for sexual slavery.  Maybe somebody can explain why the Christian Coalition wants to make sure that these girls go to jail rather than get public assistance to rescue them from this life, whether &#8220;chosen&#8221; or forced.</p>
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